Re: Who created God.
Those that believe in it.
Marvin Shilmer Just wanted to say how much I appreciate all your hard work on Jehovah's Witnesses and the blood transfusion issue.
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Who created God
by d ini am atheist now.
but when i was a jw.
i used to wonder since everything was created by god.
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Which do you think is the most pernicious teaching of the JW's?
by Chariklo inas i turn things over in my mind, one jw lie stands out.. that god doesn't listen to all prayers.
unless i have it wrong, and i don't think i do, jw's believe, and have been endlessly, ruthlessly taught, that only those living by "jehovah's righteous standards"...that awful glib phrase again...will get their prayers listened to.
in other words, god looks at the number the person is calling from, so to speak, checks who it is, looks him up in his book of misdeeds, and angrily slams the phone down.. the jehovah god of the wt is petty and mean-minded.
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But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble . Zion's Watch Tower 1894 July 15 p.226
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I knew an elder that saved a man's life.
The man was being beaten up by thugs when the elder said, 'That's enough boys!'
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For seekers - how to personally find God and hear him speak
by Fernando inplease ignore this thread if you are not looking for god.
this thread is for seekers, and for those who have found god to share their insights and experience.. the unabridged gospel message was designed as a map that leads to a personal relationship with the "god of abraham" (yahweh) through a direct relationship with jesus (as our one and only mediator).. as such it is the exact opposite of the message called "religion" which leads instead to a personal relationship and intimacy with the "god of religion" (satan the devil who transforms himself into an angel of light) and his religious organisations, hierarchies, clergy, sanhedrins and pharisees.. two key bible passages highlight this antithetical relationship: matthew 23 (religion, self-righteousness) versus romans 3 & 4 (the gospel, especially imputed righteousness or justification, similar to imputed holiness or sanctification).. a useful starting point may be to find and mark the 152-odd times that the bible refers to the "good news" or "gospel" depending on which translation.
the watchtower library search tool can be useful for this.
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Fernando "Please ignore this thread if you are not looking for God. This thread is for seekers, and for those who have found God to share their insights and experience."
This request covers a wide range of people, including, Muslims, Buddhists, and people who have not yet settled on a denomination.
The people of the Old Testament did not have a personal relationship with God but thought the priesthood, and people like Moses. The early Christians did indeed have a relationship with Christ, as he walked among them. And they believed that Christ/God personally talked to them after his death.
As God cannot be literally seen or found by humans, we are left with the choice of either looking for clues, evidence, testimony, or waiting for personal revelation. The other choice is to get on with our live, knowing that if there is a God who requires something from us he/she will make them self know. After all the Bible states that God chooses us not the other way round.
All the people on this board have at some time spent a fair portion of their life looking for God. Even when they rail against the contradictions of believers, they are still seeking answers. We are all at some level seeking answers. Even for those that do not at present believe, God's existance remains a possibility; what is lacking is evidence.
Some have taken time out to concentrate on carnal matters. Others have faith that God god has noticed them. My point is that whatever denomination one has presently adopted, be it an eastern or western persuasion, or whatever view we presently hold, we are all seekers of truth. Whether our conclusions will lead to finding evidence of God's existence during our short lifetime is another matter. You yourself have many unanswered questions and only a partial understanding of what you are seeking. I hope you find it.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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This 'God' that you earthlings talk of.
Could you explain what it is to me.
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frankiespeakin "God is an archetype of the unconscious."
Spot on - very Jungian
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SweetBabyCheezits "Great line, Glad. Hope alls well with you way over yonder."
Good to see you around. I don't post much now-days - but then I never did by some standards.
Hope your in-laws are behaving themselves and you are keeping well.
Glad.
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Re: What does the society have to say about neanderthal man?
They look up to him - he is called Don Alden Adams.
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Can anyone prove that birthday celebrations are forbidden by God?
by FaithfulBrother ini know that there is no mention of any birthday celebrations in the bible besides the two which were celebrated by non-believers.
and it just so happened that on each of these events, someone died (one non-believer and one believer).
but does it mean that just because the bible mentions these two events, that all birthday celebrations are forbidden?
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Everything that might bring joy and pleasure into life is forbidden by the god of the bible. Lets face it, he was a miserable bugger who got his jollies from punishing and smiting people who were just trying to have a little fun.
This and is why fun loving modern Christians have abandoned the bible and decided to make up their own beliefs and rules on an as need individual basis. I thoroughly agree with this approach as I have been making it up as I go along ever since I escaped the Watchtower.
In truth there is freedom.
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Is it biblically ok to have sex with your daughter or niece?
by Diest ini was hit by this topic after doing reaserch in the old testament.
there are eleven different sexual relationships that are directly condemed in the old testament.
strikingly your daugher and your niece are not listed.
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If I may interject for a moment! The most important commandment is the often unquoted eleventh commandment. ‘Do not get caught.’ True to its nature it was never caught on papyrus.
If this commandment is adhered to, no penalties are exacted on those seeking to live a rich and enjoyable life at the expense of others.
Hope this helps.
